Kempon Hokke

'who did?'

according to nichiren,the eternal shakyamuni
then again, i could be wrong - wouldn't be the first time
gassho
j

Of course Nichiren's big complaint about those other buddhas was that they had not appeared in this world. Now who did?

''Maitreya will not be appearing on this planet'
i don't recall a specific place mentioned, but more than that, as there is no proof that the sutra was expounded by shakyamuni,then why do you believe any of it?"
that being your belief(is it?) then why parctice buddhism based on any sutra? (if you do)

What is your point exactly? Why raise your own question regarding the Gosho 'On Prayer' at all?

nichiren never said he was a buddha, so to declare that he is the treasure of the buddha is to throw out the eternal buddha, something that nichiren declared was wrong with the practices of other types of buddhism.
gassho
j

J writes:

"'Maitreya will not be appearing on this planet'
i don't recall a specific place mentioned, but more than that, as there is no proof that the sutra was expounded by shakyamuni,then why do you believe any of it?"

What is your point exactly? Why raise your own question regarding the Gosho 'On Prayer' at all?

J, still can't understand what you're rtefering to and still not interested in a reading list.
You are either saying I am wrong about what the SGI says or they are wrong for saying it. Either way que sera sera, I probably won't scroll back this far to find out.
And since you like that blog I'm sure you have seen his entries on mixxing.

'You are right SGI considers Nichiren the eternal buddha because according to them he was the first to spread the law of nam myoho renge kyo.'

google NMRK (or look at robins blog) - nanyueh,and tientai,miaole and dengyo also spoke and wrote about it, and the gosho also talks about it.
gassho
j

Here's a ghood example of your failure to communicate:

"'You are right SGI considers Nichiren the eternal buddha because according to them he was the first to spread the law of nam myoho renge kyo.'

catch up on the facts- wrong again"

What's wrong, is that not what SGI teaches, or are you saying that SGI is wrong to teach that, you don't say, so who can tell what you're saying?
Quite frankly I don't care what you are saying anymore. Instead of any discussion which is what you lied and said you wanted you just want to call me stupid which I'll grant you is easier to do. "You're in the lower worlds, you're in the lower worlds." Becuase I'm angered by slanderous narrow minded people who presume to brow beat people into following their point of view your free to think I'm a fool and that's mutual.
You think I don't know what I'm talking about and I neither care what you think or about setting you straight. You want me to go away then have Mark ban me don't expect me to be moved by anything you say.

J, I don't see you doing any thing other than putting me down, you never answer or explain anything, just act superior. But you are not you are actually inferior. So quote whatever you want to quote, and say whatever you like about me, it's all the braying of an ass. If you like call me again and I'll tell you what a moron you are not because of any lower worlds you choose to imagine but because you really are a moron.

re your last post-
i didn't say anything about demon infested honzons,or your difference of opinion. it seems to me you see everything through the glasses of the lower worlds, and try to espouse your own personal holier than though attitude to everyone that doesn't agree with you.you also try to get everyone to play your anger/argue game. as i said before, get your facts straight, chant daimoku to raise your life condition.life is great-why go through it so angry?
gassho
j

You, CL, Daisaku Ikeda, and the teachings of the Soka Gakkai will go away soon enough. Shakyamuni Buddha, Nichiren Daishonin and the Lotus Sutra will be remembered and loved for ten thousand years and more. this gives me great joy.

Go away? Until I conform to your standards? See every thing I said about you was true. Holier than thou, you expect me to take you seriuosly? I don't feel bad because you think I'm unenlightened.
I'm not the one claiming gohonzons are demon infested, unbelievers go to hell, and anyone with a different opinion is a slanderer headed to worse hells. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of all that. That's my reason for being here. What's your excuse?

'I'm not putting any thing in your mouth, and....it is not the same dharma body as spoken in the Lifespan Chapter is laughable'

go away until you have an understanding of basic buddhist fundamentals and can have a rational discussion not based on the lower six worlds.
gassho
j

'You never heard of ages of the dharma and it's deteriation'

start with the fundamentals, and this will lead to an understanding of the more advanced topics.
try reading the kaimoku sho, kanjin no honzon sho and the rissho ankokuron.chant daimoku to understand, get a buddhist dictionary,whatever else helps.
until then, go away - your concepts are untenable.
(and not because you don't agree with me - because i couldn't care less about that. your understanding of the basics is severely lacking.)
gassho
j

I see nothing but self contradiction,J. I guess I'm too dumb and unlearned to understand you. What's your excuse for not being able to understand the words of a simpleton like me? You never heard of ages of the dharma and it's deteriation? Maybe you only pretend to misunderstand me? Perhaps not this planet, or much much more likely mythology.

'You are right SGI considers Nichiren the eternal buddha because according to them he was the first to spread the law of nam myoho renge kyo.'

catch up on the facts- wrong again

'If the sutras don't predict a buddha there can be no buddha? And if buddhas only come along once every 5,760 million years and their teachings are only decreasingly effective for at best a few thousand years.....

where do you get this stuff?

'Maitreya will not be appearing on this planet'
i don't recall a specific place mentioned, but more than that, as there is no proof that the sutra was expounded by shakyamuni,then why do you believe any of it?

'Why did Nichiren tell people they could attain buddhahood in this lifetime when in fact no one could become a buddha for close to 5,760 million years?'

again, he says it is possible to jobutsu in this
lifetime, but that depends on many things,again, get your information correct. who said no one could jobutsu for that amount of time?

your lack of study is glaringly apparent-i would say that you are the one with blind faith. when you understand the basics, then it will be possible to have a valid discussion. until that time don't waste my time with your sophomoric ideas.
gassho
j

Now let me ask you a question. Why did Nichiren tell people they could attain buddhahood in this lifetime when in fact no one could become a buddha for close to 5,760 million years?

You are right SGI considers Nichiren the eternal buddha because according to them he was the first to spread the law of nam myoho renge kyo.
If the sutras don't predict a buddha there can be no buddha? And if buddhas only come along once every 5,760 million years and their teachings are only decreasingly effective for at best a few thousand years then for the vast vast majority of time there is no truth or practice at all. So what few buddhas there are are fairly worthless as saviors. Fortunatly I don't belive that. But if you do I have to wonder why. Do you really believe anyone can make accurate predictions about something that will happen 5,760 million years in the future? I'm amazed you would take it as literal fact, but then I remeber fundamentalists don't think they blindly accept.
In any case according to scientists in 5 billion years the sun will expand into a red giant so by the time 5,760 million years rolls around Maitreya will not be appearing on this planet, do any of the sutras mention that? Well then I guess it can't happen!

as i understand it, at this time the sgi still follows the same interpretation the nichiren shoshu does that nichiren is the original buddha.
based on this fact, what would be you interpretation of the gosho 'kito sho' (on prayer) where nichiren says that if there is no sutra that says that a buddha will 'appear in the world to expound the teaching during the 5,760 million years between the passing of Shakyamuni Buddha and the appearance of Miroku' the compassionate one, then who would put faith in such an assertion?'
gssho
j

"Chan-jan explains, 'It takes [the Buddha] of Far-reaching Lifespan revealed as the Original Buddha to be its life' "

nor

"Miao-lo states in his commentary that the heart of this sutra is the revelation of the Buddha’s original enlightenment and his immeasurable life span."

say
"Not Nichiren's life as is taught in the Soka Gakkai." That's just something you throw in which is in neither translation. Neither translation names that original buddha. You never pay any attention to the meaning of anything it is just another opportunity to bash the SGI and put forth Kempon Hokke doctrine. If there's no dispute you create one if there is a dispute you put no effort into understanding any point but your own. You're beyond hope. Enjoy your narrow minded fundamentalist interpretation of things. I bless you in your ignorance.

SOKA GAKKAI IN WAR WITH HOKKE KEMPON . IN WAR WITH NICHIREN SHOSHU IN WAR WITH NICHIREN SHU IN WAR WITH OTHERS ORDENS OF BUDIST. WHY? BUDISMO NO WAR BUDISMO IS PEACE.
SHAKIAMUNI IS BUDA
NICHIREN NO BUDA
TODA, MAKIGUCHI NO BUDAS BUT IN MY OPOINION NO BAD PERSON REALITY BUT IKEDA IS BAD PERSON . HE IS MONEY AND ONLY MONEY.IN MY COUNTRY DE PEOPLE OF SOKA GAKKAI SAY YOUR LIFE IS GOOD GOHONZON IS GOOD YOU ZAIMU ZAIMU AND ZAIMU MORE ZAIMU.
IN MY COUNTRY ONLIY IKEDA IS A BUDA . BUT INOT HUNGRY WITH SOKA GAKKAI . I HAVE MISRERICORDY WITH THE BECAUSE THEY HAVE BAD TEACHERS, BECAUSE THE ARE VERY FANATIC . THEY MIND IS STICK(ENFERMA)
IM STUDED IN SOKA GAKKAI ARGENTINA BUT ICAN SEE THE REALITY . ISEY SHAKIAMUNI IS BUDA AND NICHIREN YOGUIO . IKEDA NO BUDA NO TEACHER IKEDA IS MONEY . IN SOKAKA GAAKI IMNOT HAPPY AND MY MIND IS VERY BAD . NOW IM MEMBER OF NICHREN SHU IM HAPPY NOW . IM RESPECT EVERY RELIGIONS . IM RESPCT SOKA TOO BUT SOKA IS NO WAY OF BUDA.
THANKS. EXCUSEME FOR MAY INGLISH IS VERY POO

'It takes [the Buddha] of Far-reaching Lifespan revealed as the Original Buddha to be its life' Not Nichiren's life as is taught in the Soka Gakkai.

Good night Clown. Speak to you tomorrow.

What was the significant difference between the two translations?